Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Pay Now or Pay Later

A Protestant recently offered the following video as proof that the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory amounts to "you write the Church a check, She gives you get-out-of-jail-free card." It is a snippet from a Q&A session that followed a debate between James White and Fr. Peter Stravinskas on Purgatory:


I would like to contribute some thoughts on this, in defense of Fr. Stravinskas.

Now, I have watched the entire debate and, I admit, Fr. Peter Stravinskas did not do well. James White is renowned for his skill as a live debater. I think the good father was just a little flustered and overwhelmed, and he wasn't able to anticipate all of the arguments that White would raise. If Fr. Stravinskas lost, it wasn't because of any weakness in the Catholic position but because of weakness in the man presenting it.

His response to the questioner in the crowd was particularly unfortunate. He articulated the Catholic position in a very sloppy and inadequate way. But, I know what he meant to say and so I would like to articulate that with more precision. I'm sure some of you will think that I am "eisegeting" the priest's words or saying that he meant something that he didn't actually mean, but I'm telling you, I know what the Catholic position is, I know what he believes, I know what the Church teaches about this. Whether you accept that or not is up to you.

Now, Catholics believe that when you sin, this has an eternal effect (on your relationship with God) and a temporal effect (on the Body and really the world). Suffering, death, pain, sadness, all of these are the conseqence of sin. They are "temporal" consequences b/c they effect our experience of this world and of each other, which is a temporal existence, or an existence confined by time.

We also believe that every Christian has a responsibility to rectify or remedy the negative effect that there sin has caused. They rectify the eternal effect through conversion of heart and repentence. They rectify the temporal effect by responding to the grace of God which compels us to perform acts of charity and to obey the command of Christ to love one another. Just as sin wounds the body, charity heals the body, uplifts the body, edifies the body. Almsgiving is one of these works of charity ("love") that builds up the body and rectifies the negative consequences of sin on the body.

If you do not properly rectify the temporal consequences of your sin in this life, then this remains as an imperfection on your soul when you die. Since these are temporal consequences of sin, they have no effect on your eternal destiny. So, a person can die and be fit for heaven while still having these imperfections on his soul (attachment to sin, or "concupiscence" and venial sin are other such imperfections). Since nothin unclean shall enter heaven, God, with the grace that he won for us on the Cross, cleanses us of these imperfections. God is a refining fire, and so the soul that must undergo this purging by God will undoubtedly experience some suffering. But, he also has the knowledge that heaven will be his, and this undoubtedly sustains him.

Knowing all this, one is able to finally understand what Fr. Stravinskas meant when he said, "Pay it now or pay it later." In other words, you can pay for the temporal consequence of your sin now by doing acts of charity (motivated by God's grace) or you can pay for it later, by undergoing the the purging of God. It's not like you can write the Church a check and forgo this purging. No one is paying there way out of Purgatory. Almsgiving is simply one of many good works that build up the body and rectify the temporal consequence of sin.

I hope that helps.

Pax Christi,
phatcatholic

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

How can you pay for your sins by doing charity work....Jesus Christ died and paid the price for our sins!!!!!!!!!! By saying you can DO charity work....it says Christ death was for not. So you have a choice....when you go before God to be judged, do you think He will accept your charity work over HIS SONS DEATH? a sister in Christ Jesus...I am forgiven.

phatcatholic said...

You're jumping to conclusions, sister. God is the first and final cause of every good work that we do. Perhaps you missed the part where I said that these acts of love are motivated "by God's grace?" And these works, these acts are not opposed to the death of Christ. It is BECAUSE of the passion, death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ that our good works are meritorious at all. I'm afraid you were too quick to judge here, which Protestants are wont to do any time you even mention the word "work."

Anonymous said...

I still hear you saying "if YOU do not properly recitfy YOUR sin in this life, then it remains as an imperfection on YOUR soul when you die." So you are saying there is something YOU have to do about YOUR sin.....why did God send Christ to die for our sins? Pay it now or Pay it later says Christ Jesus needed YOUR help to reconcile us to God. Not true...Christ knew no sin...was the Lamb of God. Doing works gets us no where...if you belong to Christ, and He is in you and you are in Him....then your actions will be like His....serving others.
I would not judge you...just concerned about what you are writing for others to see. JESUS IS ENOUGH, HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD.

phatcatholic said...

Anon .... if you don't care, please read my post on works and then get back to me:
http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2006/10/eight-key-points-part-seven.html

Thanks,
phatcatholic

Brian Walden said...

That's a very good, concise explanation of purgatory.

Anonymous said...

forgive me for being simple....just have questions. Are you refering to "But, if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgement"?
also, purgatory is found where in the Bible? i have a problem with having to go somewhere to make myself holy enough for judgement.

phatcatholic said...

I appreciate the respectful question. You can read my defense of Purgatory in two parts:

Part 1: http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2006/10/defense-of-purgatory-part-1.html

Part 2: http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2006/10/defense-of-purgatory-part-2.html

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