Sunday, September 25, 2011

Is Baptism "in the Name of Jesus" or "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"?

First of all, here are Jesus’ words to the apostles before He ascended into heaven:
And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." (Mt 28:18-20)
However, in the Book of Acts, we see that the apostles were baptizing people “in the name of Jesus Christ” (2:38; 10:48) and “in the name of the Lord Jesus” (8:16; 19:5). Are the apostles being disobedient? No.

Luke, the author of the Book of Acts, is not intending to be precise regarding the exact formula that was used, otherwise all four passages would agree. But they don’t. Sometimes the baptism is “in the name of Jesus Christ” and other times it is “in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

It makes more sense to say that Luke is simply differentiating the Christian baptism from the other baptisms of the day, such as John's baptism (cf. Acts 1:5,22; 10:37; 11:16; 13:24; 18:25; 19:4), Jewish ritual washings (Gk "baptizo"; cf. Mk 7:4; Lk 11:38), and the baptism for the dead (cf. 1 Cor 15:29).

We also can’t forget that, according to Matthew’s gospel, the command to baptize in the name of the Trinity was Jesus’ final word to His apostles before He ascended into heaven. They are a sort of last will and testament to them. This means that those words are very important, and you can bet the apostles hung on every last word of it. To think that they would then go forth and baptize in some other way is nonsensical.

Instead, because of everything that is at stake in Baptism, the apostles and their successors would have been very scrupulous regarding the manner in which it was to be done. And we see from the historical record that baptism was performed in the Trinitarian formula. For example, Origen writes in his Commentary on the Letter to the Romans (248 AD):
“The Lord himself told his disciples that they should baptize all peoples in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit . . . for indeed, legitimate baptism is had only in the name of the Trinity"
By baptizing as Jesus’ commanded, the Church is simply doing what Christians have always done.

Pax Christi,
phatcatholic

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Part 1 of 3

There are a few things I would like to address in this blog post that I find misguided.

You quote just Matthew 28:18-20 as the only book that speaks of the Great Commission. I find that this is the most over used Scripture in not only defending a trinity, but also on how to baptize someone.

You are correct in saying that the Apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus. Notice too that everyone that was baptized this way received the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues (John 3:5).

What I don't understand is why someone would desire to get baptized in a way that was never done in Scriptures? You do realize that not one single person in Scripture were ever baptized in the Titles right? No one. So why do it?

You are right in saying the Apostles were not disobedient when they baptized that way. However, those that baptize in the titles ARE being disobedient. Here is why

We know that there are TWO other accounts in Scripture of the Great Commission, lets see what they say:

turn to Mark 16:15-17
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

We see here that Jesus told the Apostles to preach the Gospel to every Creature. To those that believe, are to be baptized.

To those that are baptized here are the signs that will follow those - They shall cast out devils, in MY Name (whos Name? Jesus). They will speak in new tongues - Now this doesn't mean I'll be speaking German after baptism - For God said that He will speak to His people with stammering lips and a new language (Read 1 Corinthians 14 on this).

So we know we are going to be doing things in His Name, who is Jesus.

Lets look at Luke 24:45-49
"45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

The first thing Jesus did before giving the Apostles direction was open their understanding. Upon opening their understanding they KNEW not only everything Jesus had said and taught them - but also WHO Jesus was.

Jesus said in 47 repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

What I am trying to point out is that upon their understanding being opened they knew who Jesus was - Matthew knew who Jesus was and that is why He wrote it the way He did. Jesus is the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit - He is the Fullness of the Godhead bodily. Matthew knew this, which is why it says Name and not plural for Names.

Matthew 28, Mark 16 and Luke 24 all say the same thing; That we are to do all these things in HIS Name - which is Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Part 2 of 3

Go to Acts of the Apostles:

If you read Acts 2:14-36
There was such an uproar at Pentecost because everyone was speaking in tongues, hear me though, not everyone was speaking a different earthly language. This is why some said 'they were drunk with new wine' because they were speaking in something that no one understood (1 Corinthians 14 explains). After Peter stood up and preached to them Christ, (37) They were pricked at the heart - which means they believed and they asked the 64 million dollar question - What must we do to be saved!?

Now Peter could of said so many things here, but remember he was filled with the Holy Spirit - so as God promised, God will give Peter words to speak.

Peter could of said 'Just say a sinners prayer and you will be saved!' or 'Just ask Jesus into your heart and you will be saved' or 'Just believe that I am 3 distinct people in one and you will be saved' OR 'be baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost and you will be saved'

But he didn't - He said exactly what was told of them at the Great Commission:
'Repent (Luke 47) and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ (Luke 47) for the remission of sins(Luke 47 - remission of Sins in HIS NAME), and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost(Thus fulfilling John 3:5)

As you can see, how the Apostles baptized leans more towards Luke than Matthew. But why? Because Matthew knew who Jesus was, so he was saying what he understood Jesus to be - Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Again I stress this No one in Scriptures were baptized in the Titles! you MUST have His Name upon you to be saved - you Must have His Name upon you in order to be 'Dead in Christ'

So Jesus' "Final will and testament", as you call it, is wrong. If His will was for everyone to be baptized this way, knowing that those who were baptized will be saved and those that didn't wouldn't be saved - then I am 500% positive the Apostles would of obeyed Him. Not only that - it would of been written in the other two books as well.

So let me leave you with this:
Luke 10:16 - "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me."

And finally
Galatians 1:6-9
"6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

History shows, and the catholic church is admitting, to not only creating the doctrine of the trinity; but also changing the baptismal formula to fit this trinity. Based off of just Matthew 28:19 they created a doctrine and forced people to be baptized this way. Which is a different doctrine, a different way then the Apostles taught..even Paul.

Paul, baptized in the Name of Jesus. Why should you care? Because Paul said in Galatians 1:12
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Part 3 of 3
So if anyone were going to baptize in the titles (matthew 28) it would of been Paul. But he didn't because that is not what Jesus told him to do.

There is no salvation when being baptized in the titles - no matter who tells you otherwise. No Church, No Pope, No Bishop - Not even another Apostle, nor Angel can change the doctrine of the Apostles.

If you were baptized in the titles - you still have the sin of adam upon you. You are not saved by Water and Spirit, you did not receive the Holy Spirit if you did not speak in tongues. How would someone know you have it if they did not hear you? This is also scriptural and should be followed.

This isn't just for ancient times folks, this was suppose to continue, for Peter in Acts 2:39 said "39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call."

Obey Acts 2:38 - Its your salvation at stake.

ApostolicPreacher (on phatmass)
Steve Welborn
Greater Hope Apostolic
http://www.greaterhopeapostolic.com

Anonymous said...

I don't understand how SOME protestants can go with the apostles OVER Jesus. Paul said this, Paul did that. But what did Jesus say? It's obvious that this type of twisting of the Word is the only way that SOME protestant denominations can make it work in their practice. It's fine to listen to and obey the apostles, especially Peter, but to come out openly against what Jesus says is astonishing.

Nicholas Hardesty said...

It gets even worse. I've seen some Protestants pit the gospel of Paul against the gospel of Christ and the other apostles, as if Paul's is the only one we are called to follow. Bizarre.

Anonymous said...

I think you are missing the point. Jesus' Gospel IS the Apostles Gospel. The Apostles did everything Jesus taught them, nothing more and nothing less.

So you have to ask yourself, in regards to what I wrote above. Did the Apostles go against what Jesus wanted or did they follow Him to the letter? Not one person in Scriptures were ever baptized according to Matt 28:19, but they all followed Acts 2:38.

Luke 10:16 tells us "He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

Jesus sent the Apostles for us to listen too and follow. To not follow what the Apostles said and done is not following Christ.

Nicholas Hardesty said...

Your comment only proves my point. The Apostles only did what Jesus taught them to do - we are agreed on that point. The problem for you is that the only time Jesus taught them how to baptize is in Mt 28 when He told them to baptize with the Trinitarian forumla. Thus, we can only assume that this was in fact how they baptized, and any statements that seem to be to the contrary must be understood in some other way.

Anonymous said...

No Nicholas, we don't have to assume anything because it is in Scriptures how the Apostles baptized. You show me ONE person, just ONE that was baptized in the trinitarian formula.

Any statement that is contrary huh? Even if that statement is in the Holy Scriptures you want to claim it needs to be understood a different way? That is brainwashed right there.

Again I repeat St.Paul once again:
Galatians 1:6-9 "6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."



I remind you of my first post here and what Matthew 28:19 really means. That is not the only teachings of the Great Commission and NONE of the other books on the Great Commission mentioned anything about the trinitarian forumla. In FACT we are to do everything in Jesus Name - who's Name is above all Names - which there can be no one saved except by this Name. So what since would it make for Jesus to teach in one version of the Great Commission that ALL things are to be done in His Name then in another version go - 'Oh well in this special case do it in these 3 different people..oh I mean, these 3 people have never been mentioned before in scriptures but here..but hey trust me'

Not likely. Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. God robed Himself into flesh and dwelt among us. Not a second person of a God - for God is One and no god is beside Him (deut 4). God manifested Himself into Flesh - seen of the Angels (1 Timothy 3:16)

How did God (the ONE God) manifest Himself into flesh? By creating a Messiah, be creating a vessel that He can be robed in and be a sacrifice. Acts 10 gives us a this truth -

Acts 10 "38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."


See Jesus is the firstfruit (1 Corinthians 15:20) but Jesus is NOT a second person of a Trinity. Trinity teaches that the Father and Son are co-Equal, however this contridicts Scripture which makes it false. 1 Corinthians 15 tells us:

"25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."


He that hath a ear hear - this means that Jesus reigns until all things are placed under His feet by God. Once all things are placed under His feet then HE meaning Christ Jesus shall also be subject unto God so that God may be all in all. This isn't Co-Equal, there is only One God.

Yes he manifested Himself in different ways. He is the Almight Father, He created a man and manifested Himself into Him who is the Messiah the Chosen one and our Savior, the new Adam who said YES!. His Spirit is also Holy, He is the Holy Spirit.

Does this make sense: The Father, and the Son and The Holy Spirit - 3 distinct persons in One.

God is a Spirit (1 John 24: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.)

IF God is a Spirit and the Holy Spirit is separate and is a Spirit...are there two Spirits in God?

Nicholas Hardesty said...

Regarding your words about the proper way to baptize, you're just repeating yourself now. I've responded to these arguments already. See my 3-part response:

Part 1: http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2012/04/in-defense-of-trinitarian-baptism-part.html

Part 2: http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2012/04/in-defense-of-trinitarian-baptism-part_29.html

Part 3: http://phatcatholic.blogspot.com/2012/05/in-defense-of-trinitarian-baptism-part.html

As for the rest of your comment, I see you're interested in debating the Trinity now. That's fine, but it might have to wait until after Christmas. I'll respond to you as soon as I can.

Anonymous said...

Why would you create a new blog to answer my question without informing me of doing so?

I will read your responses and respond.

Anonymous said...

The UPCI are unfortunately brainwashed individuals who are given david bernards book to read as soon as you enter their church. they think that because their doctrine of oneness is special and unique and condemn everyone else not baptised in the name of jesus only and who do not speak in tongues to hell! They are so filled with their own self importance that they believe their church was underground all these thousands of years and tell each other such lies to keep their oneness doctrine intact. such is the sad state of affairs of having to deal with the UPCI church!

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